Another UAKM "puzzle"

I just finished playing UAKM. During the game, we're given the latitude and longitude of the Bastion of Sanctity. I thought it would be fun to Google Earth the coordinates to see what is currently at the Bastion site.

That's where I discovered a possible inconsistency in the game. It gives the coordinates as:
longitude: 122 degrees 47' 11"
latitude: 41 degrees 28' 6"

These coordinates put the Bastion near the California/Oregon border, about 250 miles due north of where it appears to be according to the game's Travel Map. My best guess for the coordinates according to the travel map is that the coordinates *should* have been somewhere around:
longitude: 122 29' 59"
latitude 37 45' 18"

Currently, there appears to be a huge sports facility near that location.

So what do you think? Is the Bastion near the San Francisco area, as shown on the travel map, or is it way up near Oregon about 250 miles north?
Pretty much nothing but Forest up near that border, isn't it??? It would be a better kept secret if it was hidden in the dense forest of Northern California... The travel map on the game had to be small, so places may seem a bit off... So I think they just put it on the map the best they could...

In Pandora: Kind of like Roswell, they made it in New Mexico, that's where the Crash took place yes, but the Base Area 51 {where Tex had to go to get the Power Cell} is in Nevada, that is where the Space Craft and artifacts are supposedly kept... So explain why Tex went to New Mexico instead of Nevada???

There are always gonna be mismatched things when it comes to games... They do their best...
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Bafitis wrote:Pretty much nothing but Forest up near that border, isn't it??? It would be a better kept secret if it was hidden in the dense forest of Northern California... The travel map on the game had to be small, so places may seem a bit off... So I think they just put it on the map the best they could...

In Pandora: Kind of like Roswell, they made it in New Mexico, that's where the Crash took place yes, but the Base Area 51 {where Tex had to go to get the Power Cell} is in Nevada, that is where the Space Craft and artifacts are supposedly kept... So explain why Tex went to New Mexico instead of Nevada???

There are always gonna be mismatched things when it comes to games... They do their best...
I think Tex went to "Area 41," or something fake just for the game not the famous Area 51. I can't remember where he went in the book either. I should re-read it before the interview on Monday.
It may have been written different in the book {I haven't read it yet, but I do own the book}, but Dr. Malloy said Area 51 in the Game, I'm almost certain of it... But when Tex leaves, he says something about the Trip to New Mexico takes 4 hours, giving him plenty of time to think about recent events...
Games have little mismatches all the time, we notice them more now that we are older than we did back when we first played the games, but they do the best they can, it happens... Happens in movies a lot too...

Not really that big of a deal... The game is still Extremely Entertaining...
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Baftis maybe there's an implication that there's a secret Roswell base in this life that we dont know about.
Bjyman wrote:Baftis maybe there's an implication that there's a secret Roswell base in this life that we dont know about.
:lol:

Yeah I guess they built it under the farmer's field that discovered the crash... :D
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Bafitis wrote:It may have been written different in the book {I haven't read it yet, but I do own the book}, but Dr. Malloy said Area 51 in the Game, I'm almost certain of it... But when Tex leaves, he says something about the Trip to New Mexico takes 4 hours, giving him plenty of time to think about recent events...
Games have little mismatches all the time, we notice them more now that we are older than we did back when we first played the games, but they do the best they can, it happens... Happens in movies a lot too...

Not really that big of a deal... The game is still Extremely Entertaining...
I thought so too, but I replayed the game recently and they repeatedly mentioned "at Roswell," like that was where Fitzgerald and Malloy met, etc. I think Artie might have mentioned Area 51 at some point in one of his rantings but I can't really remember.

If you haven't read the book you really should. It's better than the game.
I just got the book not too long ago, it's on my list... I didn't even know they existed coming here...

I don't really see how Malloy and Fitz could have met at Roswell, considering it is nothing but a small town and fields, well it's bigger now with the growth of tourism and everything... There's no Base right there at Roswell... Archie mentions everything under the sun when it comes to Aliens... lol

The only thing I can think of is AC used Roswell Army Airfield for the game and not more realistic locations for where the items from the crash scene allegedly went...


There are 3 locations where the stuff supposedly really went back then... Those are Fort Worth {Texas}, Wright Air Force Base {now Wright-Patterson Air Force Base} {Ohio}, and Area 51 {Nevada}... The Airfield in Roswell was pretty much just a layover place until orders came to move it elsewhere...
Fort Worth is where the Artifacts and Craft were taken until Area 51 was built, it was then transported to Area 51 for testing and reverse engineering...
Wright Air Force Base is where the bodies of the Aliens were supposedly taken, and later they apparently lost track {or the records} of where they were taken afterwards...

If you are a believer of the events from 1947...
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Last edited by Frank on August 19, 2008 • 10:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I don't know about the coordinates but I think they just used Roswell for the base because the name is so well known among UFO enthusiasts as well as popular culture. I remember an episode of Due South where the Mounty and Chicago cops are escorting a pathological liar who claims his girlfriend was abducted by aliens. They follow him to a Roswell, near Chicago, visit such landmarks as the Roswell Burger and the Roswell Motel and eventually trespass on the military base located in the city on several occasions. I don't even know if there's a Roswell near Chicago, let alone if they are nuts about aliens there or if there is an air force base, but it was probably much easier to put it all together for the sake of show and the commentary the episode wanted to make.

I think the series "Roswell" also heavily relied on a military base in the city that kept the aliens under wraps and protected their identities, at least for a while. What name was used for the base I couldn't say though, but I'm guessing Roswell as well.

And lastly, remember we are visiting the remains of the base before accessing the hidden underground complex, but it's not clear how old the base actually is. There's not much to go around from the items, beds and the video we find on the surface to put a date on the events, and it's unclear when the underground complex was abandoned, if at all. Do we know when, in the Tex timeline, Malloy and Fitz were working together? It couldn't be after the actual Roswell events. Malloy was old, but not that old. It's plausible the air force built an underground facility below the Roswell Air Field, either immediately or after 1947, and we are to assume this base continued to exist in the Tex universe.

I'd like to see the whole time line again, it's been way too long since Pandora.
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According to Malloy the Base was abandoned in the 90s when the accident happened and the Entity was released...
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Then my guess is the army built a complex right underneath the actual base that responded to the sighting in 47, that Malloy and Fitz met at some point while both working there (hence the whole "we met at Roswell" part), and we are just to assume this base was not shut down in 1967 in the Tex universe and continued to exist until it was abandoned, or at least quarantined.

Unless of course there are some elements I'm forgetting. Like I said, it's been a while.

When we use the travel pad, what's the name used to represent the base/complex?
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The map in the game just says "Roswell" on it...

Simplicity is always the best way in an already complex game...
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Well, like I said in the first post, it's just much easier in fiction to refer to the whole place as Roswell. Trying to explain where the crash pieces went to would be unnecessarily complicated without any added benefit. We got the point right away and I totally bought the whole Roswell base, one of the very few moments I've ever been stressed/scared in a game. Absolute immersion, which means the story was solid regardless of details.
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Pretty much nothing but Forest up near that border, isn't it??? It would be a better kept secret if it was hidden in the dense forest of Northern California... The travel map on the game had to be small, so places may seem a bit off... So I think they just put it on the map the best they could...
This is not a very satisfying answer, in my opinion. If they didn't want to use a bigger map or multiple scale maps (like they did in Pandora) but wanted to fit everything on the San Francisco map, then they should have at least been consistent about it and simply changed the number in the note from 41 to 37. How hard can that be?

My guess is that the Bastion was originally written to be way up there in the middle of nowhere. Maybe for cost or time-saving reasons, they realized that they couldn't do multi-scale maps, so they moved the Bastion to SF. But in doing so, they forgot to update the note to reflect the new location. Or, maybe they didn't forget, but they simply didn't want to deal with changing the coordinates since they were on a shredded note that had to be assembled in one of the puzzles, and modifying the note might have been too much of a programming nightmare for something which they thought no one would notice.

Don't you just hate obsessive fans?
Good research, Doc. Appreciated that little tidbit. As for me, I opt for the CA-OR border for the same reasons as stated by Baf. Also, tho' there are discrepancies in most games, I would like to believe AC and the gang had a heads up on this one. Then again, UAKM was more of a spoof/comedy than Pandora.
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