A question on canonicity
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I am still going through reading the UAKM novelization and I am a bit frustrated on how things are different from the game. Of course this is good, because it is a novel, not a faithful walkthrough of the game. On the other hand the novel doesn't look like a "novelization" of the game but rather a loose interpretation of the game, or the other way round. The novel seems to give more background and explain some motivations but otherwise they are incompatible.
Now the things would not matter much if I didn't feel the urge to update the encyclopedia.
I understand that the Tex Murphy "canon" is a bit complicated. I have seen that the fans (and perhaps even the designers) consider the creations of Aaron as canon, while the two first games are semi-canonical, or semi-apocryphal, or secondary canon.
And here comes the question: has this matter brought up concerning the novelizations vs the games? Has Aaron, or anyone else, expressed how the one takes precedence over the other? Should we consider that the game is canon and the novel complements it (where it's not contradicting it)? How can we handle that the Colonel is named Dobbs in the game but O'Brien in the novel? What about the Chameleon who is a shape shifting shaman in the game but a master of disguise mercenary in the novel? And what about Alaynah Moore who has wholly different personalities and roles in the two media?
Any knowledge or suggestions appreciated!
To remind you, I am one of the guys who maintain the Tex Murphy wiki at wikia.com.
I am still going through reading the UAKM novelization and I am a bit frustrated on how things are different from the game. Of course this is good, because it is a novel, not a faithful walkthrough of the game. On the other hand the novel doesn't look like a "novelization" of the game but rather a loose interpretation of the game, or the other way round. The novel seems to give more background and explain some motivations but otherwise they are incompatible.
Now the things would not matter much if I didn't feel the urge to update the encyclopedia.
I understand that the Tex Murphy "canon" is a bit complicated. I have seen that the fans (and perhaps even the designers) consider the creations of Aaron as canon, while the two first games are semi-canonical, or semi-apocryphal, or secondary canon.
And here comes the question: has this matter brought up concerning the novelizations vs the games? Has Aaron, or anyone else, expressed how the one takes precedence over the other? Should we consider that the game is canon and the novel complements it (where it's not contradicting it)? How can we handle that the Colonel is named Dobbs in the game but O'Brien in the novel? What about the Chameleon who is a shape shifting shaman in the game but a master of disguise mercenary in the novel? And what about Alaynah Moore who has wholly different personalities and roles in the two media?
Any knowledge or suggestions appreciated!
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the novel was written after the game , you can confirm this by the date of publication.
date of publication for book was 1996 while the game came out in 1994.
With pandora it was the other way around , the book was first which was used as a script for the game. Not sure if the book was exact as I haven't fully read the book even though I have them in pdf format. However I am sure I will when I received my books in my backer rewards.
date of publication for book was 1996 while the game came out in 1994.
With pandora it was the other way around , the book was first which was used as a script for the game. Not sure if the book was exact as I haven't fully read the book even though I have them in pdf format. However I am sure I will when I received my books in my backer rewards.
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To me it's fairly simple. Tex is primarily an adventure game. Even if a book version of one of the games came out before the game, the game is still the primary form. The company is Big Finish Games, not Big Finish Novels. The original company was Access Software, not Access Novels.
Bottom line? Where the novel conflicts with the game, the game takes precedence.
Bottom line? Where the novel conflicts with the game, the game takes precedence.
Rebus,
Aaron Conners has said on numerous occasions that the UAKM novel was story as they wanted to tell it before budget limitations, which led to the game being the way it was. If anything, that novel, combined with the multiple paths and endings of PD, offer a glimpse of what they're striving to achieve in Project Fedora.
Hammerhead
Aaron Conners has said on numerous occasions that the UAKM novel was story as they wanted to tell it before budget limitations, which led to the game being the way it was. If anything, that novel, combined with the multiple paths and endings of PD, offer a glimpse of what they're striving to achieve in Project Fedora.
Hammerhead
Last edited by James LeMosy on November 07, 2012 • 2:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Here's how I tend to categorize things...
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Primary Canon
Published works developed through collaboration between Chris Jones and Aaron Conners. These titles represent the official story of Tex Murphy.
Published works developed outside of the direct Jones/Conners team. Elements from these stories can be considered canon unless they are contradicted by anything in Primary Canon.
Again, this is just my way of looking at it. Other opinions may differ.
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Primary Canon
Published works developed through collaboration between Chris Jones and Aaron Conners. These titles represent the official story of Tex Murphy.
- Under a Killing Moon - Game
- The Pandora Directive - Game
- The 'B' path storyline with the "Holodate" ending is generally accepted as canon
- Overseer - Game
- Tex Murphy Radio Theater - Season 1 and upcoming Season 2
- 'Project Fedora' - Upcoming game
Published works developed outside of the direct Jones/Conners team. Elements from these stories can be considered canon unless they are contradicted by anything in Primary Canon.
- Martian Memorandum - Game
- Under a Killing Moon - Novel
- The Pandora Directive - Novel
- Mean Streets - Game
- The entirety of Mean Streets was re-told as Overseer (Primary Canon), effectively negating its canonicity. It's generally accepted that Overseer presents the story as it "actually happened."
- Materials created for the 'Project Fedora' Kickstarter campaign
- "Plan 10 from Outer Space" - home movie starring Chris Jones as 'Tex Mutant'
- Unpublished Tex Murphy works by Chris Jones or Aaron Conners
- Works of fan fiction and fan art
Again, this is just my way of looking at it. Other opinions may differ.
Wow, impressive summary James.
CJ developed the names of characters and loose plot lines from very early days and you can see that in Plan 10 from outer space - many of the characters in Overseer/MS are there.
There are some smaller differences because of copyright etc - the cigarettes are Luckies in the books but were called Llamas in the game. Aside from that, I agree that the games are most likely the way the stories were intended.
CJ developed the names of characters and loose plot lines from very early days and you can see that in Plan 10 from outer space - many of the characters in Overseer/MS are there.
There are some smaller differences because of copyright etc - the cigarettes are Luckies in the books but were called Llamas in the game. Aside from that, I agree that the games are most likely the way the stories were intended.
David
That's the general idea I had, James. Thanks for the input.
So, the encyclopedic articles will have the game summary as a primary section, and the novel information as an appendix.
So, the encyclopedic articles will have the game summary as a primary section, and the novel information as an appendix.
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Trivia master? That's common knowledge on these boards. I remember back in the mists of aught four when we all celebrated.
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Damn if I didn't just manage to sound like an old guy.
Hey Old Guy? How's my aging? Dial 1-800-JERRYTOL
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Pirates, vampires, zombies, ninjas, ghouls, aliens, goblins, monsters, robots, sorcerers, undead, werewolves, demons, mutated dinosaur-cyborgs and those pesky phone salesmen! The shotgun is a one-size-fits-all solution!
Well most of the articles were written by myself so it's humanly impossible to be 100% error-free. Wikis aren't and shouldn't be a personal work, so contributions, corrections and suggestions by more savvy fans would be more than welcome.Jen wrote: I was looking over the Wiki a bit and it has 2005 as Tex's year of birth. It actually is '04.
IIRC I put that date based on the UAKM novelization but I don't remember the exact quote.
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I virtually never get that deep into any game/book/TV/movie/etc.Fred Buer wrote:Trivia master? That's common knowledge on these boards. I remember back in the mists of aught four when we all celebrated.
Damn if I didn't just manage to sound like an old guy.
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