Any Max Payne fans among the Tex Murphy fans here? It's funny, but in 2001 Max Payne is what introduced me to film noir tropes, and it blew me away, still does. "He was looking to buy some sand for his hourglass... I wasn't selling any." "I was so far beyond the point of no return I couldn't remember what it had looked like when I had passed it." "I played it Bogart like I did a hundred times before..." etc, just all those incredibly over-the-top and awesome stylized lines and analogies for everything, plus a pretty compelling plot about a guy in over-his-head.
A couple years later I got into film noir and love all those classic like Double Indemnity, Murder My Sweet, Sunset Blvd, Kiss Me Deadly, Out of the Past, and whatnot. And of course, Sin City for comics etc. Also Savage Dragon is very hard boiled, especially when he's a Chicago cop (my avatar there).
Also Remedy, the Max Payne creators, are into live-action cutscenes in their games lately with Alan Wake's American Nightmare and their next game Quantum Break, so that's a Tex similarity. Plus Max Payne's stylized comic book cutscenes used real photos of people etc.
Also to make this topic a bit more general, what are some other film noir or hard boiled things you enjoy, especially with some sardonic narration from a jaded protagonist?
A couple years later I got into film noir and love all those classic like Double Indemnity, Murder My Sweet, Sunset Blvd, Kiss Me Deadly, Out of the Past, and whatnot. And of course, Sin City for comics etc. Also Savage Dragon is very hard boiled, especially when he's a Chicago cop (my avatar there).
Also Remedy, the Max Payne creators, are into live-action cutscenes in their games lately with Alan Wake's American Nightmare and their next game Quantum Break, so that's a Tex similarity. Plus Max Payne's stylized comic book cutscenes used real photos of people etc.
Also to make this topic a bit more general, what are some other film noir or hard boiled things you enjoy, especially with some sardonic narration from a jaded protagonist?
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Dick Powell in "Cry Danger"/"Johnny O'Clock".
Noir makes it happen for me because the side-characters effortlessly make the films feel dark. The main character may be glamorous but the rest of life's players (Thomas Gomez, Jeff Chandler, et al) are just making it work for them.
The "Dirty Harry" films also superb Noir films.
Ema Nymton
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Dick Powell in "Cry Danger"/"Johnny O'Clock".
Noir makes it happen for me because the side-characters effortlessly make the films feel dark. The main character may be glamorous but the rest of life's players (Thomas Gomez, Jeff Chandler, et al) are just making it work for them.
The "Dirty Harry" films also superb Noir films.
Ema Nymton
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The new ones you must be thinking of are the Wadget Eye ones.
ie.... Gemini Rue, and the Blackwell Games. There is also Emerald City Confidential, as spoof mix of LA Confidential and Wizard of Oz.
Resonance is a sci fi Noir, and Primordia is in the future, but you play a Robot in a post apocalyptic world..... (not sure you would classify Primordia as noir, but you might be a fan.)
ie.... Gemini Rue, and the Blackwell Games. There is also Emerald City Confidential, as spoof mix of LA Confidential and Wizard of Oz.
Resonance is a sci fi Noir, and Primordia is in the future, but you play a Robot in a post apocalyptic world..... (not sure you would classify Primordia as noir, but you might be a fan.)
Matt
It's usually a portrayal of hopelessness. Characters who are damned, know they are damned, and still continue on the path they are on. Thereby - a dark story. The aesthetics of noir however, high angle shots, smoke and long shadows, is something the movie industry added for effect.
-Fred
-Fred
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Tex Murphy pretty much got me interested in all things Noir at a very young age.
I've read and re-read Raymond Chandler's Phillip Marlowe novels.
Mickey Spillane was fantastic. Pick up some of his Mike Hammer novels like "My Gun is Quick" and "I, the Jury." These are the ORIGINAL noir stories that inspired the movies that inspired the makers of Tex Murphy.
In the 90's some Noir detective games came out. They weren't anywhere near the quality of Tex, but stuff like "The Dame was Loaded" and "Private Eye" are all decent games. Look 'em up on mobygames. They can easily be played through dosbox.
And yes, I'm a huge Max Payne fan.
Man, I could literally go on forever about "noir stuff."
I've read and re-read Raymond Chandler's Phillip Marlowe novels.
Mickey Spillane was fantastic. Pick up some of his Mike Hammer novels like "My Gun is Quick" and "I, the Jury." These are the ORIGINAL noir stories that inspired the movies that inspired the makers of Tex Murphy.
In the 90's some Noir detective games came out. They weren't anywhere near the quality of Tex, but stuff like "The Dame was Loaded" and "Private Eye" are all decent games. Look 'em up on mobygames. They can easily be played through dosbox.
And yes, I'm a huge Max Payne fan.
Man, I could literally go on forever about "noir stuff."
The monologue and self reflection are more staples of the hardboiled detective genre, and does not necessarily have anything to do with noir fiction or film noir.
Have a look at Casablanca, for instance.
That said, the hardboiled detective and the noir fiction do overlap nicely into a tasty combination. Read anything by Raymond Chandler for examples.
-Fred
Have a look at Casablanca, for instance.
That said, the hardboiled detective and the noir fiction do overlap nicely into a tasty combination. Read anything by Raymond Chandler for examples.
-Fred
Pirates, vampires, zombies, ninjas, ghouls, aliens, goblins, monsters, robots, sorcerers, undead, werewolves, demons, mutated dinosaur-cyborgs and those pesky phone salesmen! The shotgun is a one-size-fits-all solution!
