Unofficial Tex Murphy

IE8 huh??? Thought I had heard they weren't going to continue IE and were going to do something new... Kind of like how Netscape was dropped and Firefox was the one who replaced it...

I find IE {current edition} to be rather on the slow side... Always seems to take forever to load pages that Firefox just whips through...
Like Igoogle, takes IE forever to load that page... I don't use it myself and my wife says she likes it, so whatever, I've just found it slow so I don't bother with it...

I really can't wait to get His-N-Hers computers... That's my goal for Next Spring once the Office/Den is remodeled...

Now that I think of it, my computer has IE, FF, and Seamonkey. As good as Chrome may be, I don't want to have a fourth browser.

I've been ignoring IE so much that I didn't even know IE8 was coming until someone mentioned it on another board.

Careful with Chrome ... it's early days yet and still has one or two security holes in it. I agree with James: it's a wonderful first effort. However any accusations of data theft and the like belong soley with the tinfoil hat brigade.

I did have Spybot S&D go a little nuts on install, but i'm not sure it was Chrome or the spyware riddled hard drive I was doing data recovery on at the time

However at least it auto updates itself.

I plan on waiting before getting Chrome... I hardly ever go with the First Edition on almost anything... Always wait out the Bugs...

franton wrote:Careful with Chrome ... it's early days yet and still has one or two security holes in it. I agree with James: it's a wonderful first effort. However any accusations of data theft and the like belong soley with the tinfoil hat brigade.

I did have Spybot S&D go a little nuts on install, but i'm not sure it was Chrome or the spyware riddled hard drive I was doing data recovery on at the time

However at least it auto updates itself.

So Google isn't a Data Miner? Since when? I'm not claiming they STEAL anything. They keep track of every page you go to, anything you may buy, etc. with their browser. This isn't paranoia. This is the truth.

Data Mining is to me, rather scary. Privacy is becoming a thing of the past.

I'm talking about the browser ... not the search engine. Crucial difference there.

Privacy is slowly being eroded everywhere. This is why we need to fight things like the UK ID card. However, this is still nothing to do with Chrome the web browser!

franton wrote:I'm talking about the browser ... not the search engine. Crucial difference there.

Privacy is slowly being eroded everywhere. This is why we need to fight things like the UK ID card. However, this is still nothing to do with Chrome the web browser!

Yes, it is.

The BROWSER sends packets out to Google with every packet you send out with the browser. Thus Google is tracking everything you do. Even MS hasn't done this (yet).

Put it this way a code slinger I know stated he could use a program to gain root of just about any PC out there that has chrome by using a packet sniffer to hijack the packets going to Google.

I believe this is one of the major security issues of which people have been referring to.

lotus_j wrote: Privacy is becoming a thing of the past.

At the end of the day we choose to use the internet, and sometimes depend on it and such things come with the territory. Just becuase it is against the law to murder somebody does not mean you are exempt from harm, so by that same token just becuase the internet is at your fingertips, it does not mean you aren't at somebody else's.

We all have a right to remain private, and sometimes to exercise that right we must sacrifice the luxury of browsing online under the assumption that our information will never get out there. If I buy a fast car it does not mean I can drive 200 miles an hour all the time and not get caught out becuase with such luxuries in technology, some precautions and moderation must be exercised. And if you want to remain off the radar then don't log-in full stop.

However, as for social surveillance and ID cards and such... I totally agree with you there, it's just wrong as we have no control over it.

-Cub. =o)

Erm, the only security flaws that have made it past a theoretical stage is 1) the "Save As" exploit ... which involves the webpage tricking you into saving itself (and this is the important bit) with a VERY long filename. The second 2) involves various complicated Java flaws which are present on many other browsers, because it references the Sun Java interpreter.

There is a third that involves the Java JVM ... but that got fixed in the last update. Which was two weeks ago now.

Chrome isn't nearly as bad as you thought. I'd like to see more evidence for your claim past a rather nebulous "my coding friend can do it".

Oh and the final nail in your strawman is that Google Chrome is open source! ANYONE can have a look at the entire source code for the thing! The bits that Google didn't code are ALSO open source! That's webkit for the browsing engine, the V8 Java Virtual Machine and so on.

Someone WOULD have found what you are on about by now and the IT press would have been up in arms. However they haven't, and the press isn't because it's NOT THERE.

Our information is out there whether we use the internet or not, because the companies in which we do business use the internet and have our information out there... Nothing is safe... The sooner we accept that, the better off we'll be...

The Press did mention it. It is out there. No one seems to care. Look in the source code if you don't believe me. It's there.

As for my friend claiming he can code something... if he says he can, he can. It's real simple if he can make the right packet sniffer. Then you create a Demon that gets embedded in the packets you requested so it gets by firewalls. I've seen this "threat," with Chrome listed on a couple Security sites. I have yet to see Google address it.

(I had typed a longer reply, but my net went out and I lost the lot. This is a little more terse, but the same thing.)

Links to actual news articles? Proof please.

BTW: It's Daemon, not demon.